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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 25, 2011 7:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: State of the Union (Dead related)

It's a brave new world!

Been thinking quite a bit about the ramifications of the Europe '72 box. Not just about what's going to be inside of that faux Schlumbeger case that's going ta arrive next September, but more specifically what this means to our community.

The fact that this release completely sold out in only four days changes everything! Even before this release was announced, there seems to have been a renaissance at Rhino/Grateful Dead products. The pace and content of the official releases has certainly improved over the past couple years. It's almost as if someone at the corporate level has been reading this forum. We have been getting complete shows, and very good ones at that! The '73 and '77 Winterland Boxes, 2/14/68 with some killer bonus material, 5/15/70, 6/18/74, Seminole Indian Village, etc, etc.

Am I being too optimistic? Too giddy with excitement about the new release?

After what has transpired in our community during the past week, it seems like anything is now possible. A nine disc Winterland '74 box? A release of the '69 Arc run? More music from 1968? It sure looks to me like whoever is making decisions regarding releasing the contents of the Grateful Dead vault has had a catharsis. Rhino/GDP has to be very impressed with the successful marketing of this very expensive release!

Is it safe to dream now? Or will the nature of officialy released material revert back to the way it used to be?

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Poster: pdm59 Date: Jan 25, 2011 8:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: State of the Union (Dead related)

The voracious response to the 30 Days of November offering would have brought a marketing department to a volcanic orgasm. The server crashing # of downloads affirmed the power of the band's appeal.

I imagine that the 72 box set was in the works for quite a while but I could be wrong. Either way it seems that more material may be released. How could these organizations not want to fulfill the demand and profit as well.

Hopefully the audio quality will be top notch and the offerings will range from exotic (72 box) to simple (complete shows, 2-4 discs, $20-$35).

Is Cliff being too optimistic???? Is it safe to dream now???? Stay tuned for the next episode of Dead Life.

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Poster: buck78 Date: Jan 25, 2011 9:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: State of the Union (Dead related)

I do not know yet if you're being too optimistic regarding the quality of recent releases, but leave it to the Dead and their associates to dick around for a while before the "real deal" is presented. From this point forward, I wouldn't mind seing a return to Dick's Picks; full shows and the red and black labels of the first seven releases. I'm sure Dick left some notes lying around. How about Pauly Pavillion from '73, can anyone make me a label?

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Poster: snori Date: Jan 26, 2011 8:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: State of the Union (Dead related)

Don't know if you're aware of Skobud's Dick Didn't Pick posts, but I've enjoyed getting the shows he recommends and wrapping them in his artwork. Here's a link to the first seven - I think his most recent is 29/4 from Eurpe '72. http://www.archive.org/post/306633/ddpv7

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Poster: bkidwell Date: Jan 25, 2011 11:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: State of the Union (Dead related)

I'm very excited by the E72 box release, but I do have some long-term concerns about "too much of a good thing." What happens to the free, non-commercial, legal dead music scene after another ten years of large scale box set releases? I love good AUD source recordings, but the amount of high quality aud recordings of the crucial 68-74 golden is not as high as one would wish, especially 68 and 69. The free, legal availability of high quality concert recordings has always been essential to turning on new listeners. I think it would be great if at least a few of the all-time favorite shows' were officially placed in the public domain, to make sure an essential element of deadhead culture is preserved. I am happy to purchase about as many shows as they are willing to release, but I also want to be able to share classic shows and help create new heads.

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Poster: hasher Date: Jan 26, 2011 12:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: State of the Union (Dead related)

>>I think it would be great if at least a few of the all-time favorite shows' were officially placed in the public domain, to make sure an essential element of deadhead culture is preserved.

Now that's optimism!


>>It sure looks to me like whoever is making decisions regarding releasing the contents of the Grateful Dead vault has had a catharsis. Rhino/GDP has to be very impressed with the successful marketing of this very expensive release!

This is more like ass kissing. Good thing whoever just had an enema.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Feb 5, 2011 3:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: State of the Union (Dead related)

>>This is more like ass kissing. Good thing whoever just had an enema

This sounds like sour grapes to me...

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Poster: Hal R Date: Jan 26, 2011 9:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: State of the Union (Dead related)

I wavered on getting this box set over the weekend and then it was sold out. I think I am glad that I didn't order it. $450.00 for shows that I have soundboards for all but about three or four shows is just hard for me to justify. If they release a few individual shows of the tour I may pick them up. I have every offical release before this but this is where I put a hold on my consumption.

I think that the saddest thing about this may be that the soundboards will no longer be available here or elsewhere and newbies may miss out on some of the most exciting shows ever and not get what it is all about.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Jan 26, 2011 11:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: State of the Union (Dead related)

I'm waiting for the whole damn Vault to be released.
- for $10K :-P

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Poster: snori Date: Jan 26, 2011 12:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: State of the Union (Dead related)

I did the same and actually felt a sense of relief when I found it was sold out. It solved the dilemna - I wanted it, but it was hard to justify spending that much. If only I'd studied and joined Goldmann Sachs.

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Poster: Hal R Date: Jan 26, 2011 12:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: State of the Union (Dead related)

snori - I felt the same way as you.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Jan 26, 2011 12:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: State of the Union (Dead related)

I wavered too, I think we all did. But I went for it. My rationale - I do NOT have all the official releases (RTs, DPs) - in fact, very few of them. I'm playing catch-up.

An art director friend of mine once said: "if your hand doesn't shake when you write the invoice, you're not charging enough."

I think Rhino had the shakes before this release, only to find that it didn't scare too many people at all!

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Poster: srtg83 Date: Jan 26, 2011 9:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: State of the Union (Dead related)

Do not worry about the newbies who are generally younger and more computer savy than us old farts. This release will be online within days of its release, as are all other official releases.

In my view, the way this release was handled was a major screw-up by Rhino. I can not believe they did not learn from the FW'69 limited release. Demand was seriously underestimated resulting in a significant transfer of profits from Rhino to the re-sellers. The same thing is happening here. The absurd threat that a certain number must be sold by what April further proves this point. These guys have no clue...heads should roll for this.

Let's see if they learn. Clearly, full tours or at least legs of tours are in demand. Sure, label these as limited releases but set the limit at 25k per release. I'd say release all multi-tracks in the full tour format within a 3-5 year period.

Cliff is right. This is a game-changer. Let's see what happens next.

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Jan 26, 2011 6:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: State of the Union (Dead related)

Maybe a boxed set of all the September 1973 shows with Martin Fiero and Joe Ellis?

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 26, 2011 6:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: State of the Union (Dead related)

I'd buy it...

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Jan 26, 2011 3:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: State of the Union (Dead related)

Ditto. The horn sound is ragged sometimes but sublime at others.

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Poster: portmcgroin Date: Jan 26, 2011 5:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: State of the Union (Dead related)

Or at least a show with the horns would be a great choice for a road trips if not the box.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 26, 2011 6:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: State of the Union (Dead related)

I can't help but laugh at the farce all of this has become when I see two listings already on eBay- one asking $1,400, the other asking $1,200. It will be interesting to see how many more of these we see popping up in the future.

Personally, I'm fairly content with the occasional Road Trips release (I like the recent late 60s-early 70s trend). Personally I tend to shy away from the expensive box sets (I'm certainly not going to pay $450 for one), but I suspect we're definitely going to see more of them now. And that's fine- if there there's a market for them, I'm glad the demand is being met.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Jan 26, 2011 8:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: State of the Union (Dead related)

Anyone know how Crimson, White and indigo sold?

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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Jan 25, 2011 10:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: State of the Union (Dead related)

Cliff, given the fact they have really not touched the May 1977 tour at all, I am betting the house that the GOOD NEWS will shine on in the form of a new even better even bigger boxed set - how about an IPOD loaded tour of every show from that EPIC Spring tour. You know they have been sitting on this stuff - why no Road Trips of this tour? You'll see...

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 26, 2011 3:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: State of the Union (Dead related)

"Given the fact they have really not touched the May 1977 tour at all..."

Dick's Picks Vol 3, Vol 27 and To Terrapin: Hartford '77 were all taken from May 1977. While I understand that people may want more from this amazing month (5/9? 5/25?), I think it's fair to say that May '77 has been quite well represented overall.

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Poster: portmcgroin Date: Jan 26, 2011 5:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: State of the Union (Dead related)

I think some of the 77 spring betty boards are missing, (Barton Hall) from the vault and the Winterland box is the end of that run although in June. So it may be out the question but I would take more of that tour in any form. I gave my To Terrapin cd to a friend and really enjoyed that show the most out of all of them.

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Poster: hasher Date: Jan 25, 2011 8:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: State of the Union (Dead related)

Yeah I think it's great too. I especially like how deadheads like myself can no longer purchase the box set as a collectible yet people who never wanted it in the first place can sell it on ebay for three times the original price. Thanks rhino!

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Jan 25, 2011 10:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: State of the Union (Dead related)

ASSHOLES! Everything becomes a racket for THIEVES; when those MORONS slap words like LIMITED EDITION on their products.

I bought one of those Fillmore West 69 boxsets for little more than the MSRP, about $115 shipped to my door. It was opened to be sure that everything was included as advertised. NO, you won't find it for sale on SleazeBay either.

We don't have this problem with other Rhino products...